Item - 2012.GM15.15
Tracking Status
- City Council adopted this item on October 2, 2012 with amendments.
- City Council considered this item on July 11, 2012 and postponed its consideration to a later date. Consult the text of the decision for further information on the deferral.
- This item was considered by Government Management Committee on June 27, 2012 and was adopted with amendments. It will be considered by City Council on July 11, 2012.
- See also By-law 1303-2012
GM15.15 - Amendments to Rules of Debate regarding Speaking Times
- Decision Type:
- ACTION
- Status:
- Amended
- Wards:
- All
City Council Decision
City Council on October 2, 3 and 4, 2012, adopted the following:
1. City Council amend the Rules for Speaking contained in the Council Procedures by eliminating the two-minute extension, leaving a maximum speaking time of five minutes, with the exception that Chairs of Committees and Councillors addressing issues solely within their wards be permitted a two-minute extension.
City Council Decision Advice and Other Information
Speaker Nunziata, ruled that portion of the Government Management Committee's recommendation to not require a recorded vote, out of order, as the City of Toronto Act, 2006 requires the City Clerk to record a vote whenever requested by a Member.
Public Notice Given
Background Information (Committee)
https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2012/gm/bgrd/backgroundfile-48357.pdf
Background Information (City Council)
https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2012/cc/bgrd/backgroundfile-50510.pdf
Motions (City Council)
That City Council amend Government Management Committee Recommendation 1 by deleting the words "with the exception that Chairs of Committees and Councillors addressing issues solely within their wards be permitted a two-minute extension" so that it now reads as follows:
1. City Council amend the Rules for Speaking contained in the Council Procedures by eliminating the two-minute extension, leaving a maximum speaking time of five minutes.
Vote (Amend Item) Oct-03-2012 3:36 PM
| Result: Lost | Majority Required - GM15.15 - Shiner - motion 1 |
|---|---|
| Total members that voted Yes: 20 | Members that voted Yes are Paul Ainslie, Ana Bailão, Josh Colle, Gary Crawford, Vincent Crisanti, Frank Di Giorgio, Paula Fletcher, Rob Ford, Mark Grimes, Gloria Lindsay Luby, Giorgio Mammoliti, Mary-Margaret McMahon, Peter Milczyn, Ron Moeser, Frances Nunziata (Chair), Cesar Palacio, James Pasternak, Anthony Perruzza, Jaye Robinson, Karen Stintz |
| Total members that voted No: 21 | Members that voted No are Michelle Berardinetti, Shelley Carroll, Raymond Cho, Janet Davis, Glenn De Baeremaeker, Mike Del Grande, Sarah Doucette, John Filion, Doug Ford, Doug Holyday, Norman Kelly, Mike Layton, Chin Lee, Josh Matlow, Pam McConnell, Joe Mihevc, John Parker, Gord Perks, Michael Thompson, Adam Vaughan, Kristyn Wong-Tam |
| Total members that were Absent: 4 | Members that were absent are Maria Augimeri, Mary Fragedakis, Denzil Minnan-Wong, David Shiner |
Vote (Adopt Item) Oct-03-2012 3:38 PM
| Result: Carried | Two-Thirds Required - GM15.15 - Adopt the item |
|---|---|
| Total members that voted Yes: 29 | Members that voted Yes are Paul Ainslie, Ana Bailão, Michelle Berardinetti, Shelley Carroll, Josh Colle, Gary Crawford, Vincent Crisanti, Mike Del Grande, Frank Di Giorgio, Sarah Doucette, John Filion, Doug Ford, Rob Ford, Mark Grimes, Doug Holyday, Norman Kelly, Chin Lee, Giorgio Mammoliti, Mary-Margaret McMahon, Peter Milczyn, Ron Moeser, Frances Nunziata (Chair), Cesar Palacio, John Parker, James Pasternak, Jaye Robinson, Karen Stintz, Michael Thompson, Kristyn Wong-Tam |
| Total members that voted No: 12 | Members that voted No are Raymond Cho, Janet Davis, Glenn De Baeremaeker, Paula Fletcher, Mike Layton, Gloria Lindsay Luby, Josh Matlow, Pam McConnell, Joe Mihevc, Gord Perks, Anthony Perruzza, Adam Vaughan |
| Total members that were Absent: 4 | Members that were absent are Maria Augimeri, Mary Fragedakis, Denzil Minnan-Wong, David Shiner |
Rulings (City Council)
GM15.15 - Amendments to Rules of Debate regarding Speaking Times
- Decision Type:
- ACTION
- Status:
- Deferred
- Wards:
- All
City Council Decision
City Council on July 11, 12 and 13, 2012, deferred consideration of Item GM15.15 to the City Council meeting on October 2 and 3, 2012.
Public Notice Given
Background Information (Committee)
https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2012/gm/bgrd/backgroundfile-48357.pdf
Motions (City Council)
That consideration of this Item be deferred until the next regular City Council meeting scheduled for October 2 and 3, 2012.
Vote (Defer Item) Jul-13-2012 4:59 PM
| Result: Carried | Majority Required - GM15.15 - Davis - motion 1 |
|---|---|
| Total members that voted Yes: 27 | Members that voted Yes are Maria Augimeri, Shelley Carroll, Raymond Cho, Josh Colle, Vincent Crisanti, Janet Davis, Frank Di Giorgio, Sarah Doucette, Paula Fletcher, Rob Ford, Mary Fragedakis, Doug Holyday, Mike Layton, Chin Lee, Gloria Lindsay Luby, Josh Matlow, Pam McConnell, Mary-Margaret McMahon, Denzil Minnan-Wong, Frances Nunziata (Chair), Cesar Palacio, John Parker, Gord Perks, Anthony Perruzza, Karen Stintz, Adam Vaughan, Kristyn Wong-Tam |
| Total members that voted No: 3 | Members that voted No are Ana Bailão, Norman Kelly, Peter Milczyn |
| Total members that were Absent: 15 | Members that were absent are Paul Ainslie, Michelle Berardinetti, Gary Crawford, Glenn De Baeremaeker, Mike Del Grande, John Filion, Doug Ford, Mark Grimes, Giorgio Mammoliti, Joe Mihevc, Ron Moeser, James Pasternak, Jaye Robinson, David Shiner, Michael Thompson |
GM15.15 - Amendments to Rules of Debate regarding Speaking Times
- Decision Type:
- ACTION
- Status:
- Amended
- Wards:
- All
Public Notice Given
Committee Recommendations
The Government Management Committee recommends that:
1. City Council amend the Rules for Speaking contained in the Council Procedures by eliminating the two-minute extension, leaving a maximum speaking time of five minutes, with the exception that Chairs of Committees and Councillors addressing issues solely within their wards be permitted a two-minute extension without a recorded vote.
Origin
Summary
The purpose of this report is to propose changes to the rules for speaking during debate at meetings of City Council and its committees.
These changes require amendments to the Council Procedures and must be adopted by a two-thirds vote of City Council.
Background Information
https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2012/gm/bgrd/backgroundfile-48357.pdf
Speakers
Motions
That the Government Management Committee delete Recommendation 1 and replace it with a new Recommendation 1 to read as follows:
1 a. City Council amend the Rules for Speaking contained in the Council Procedures by permitting approval of a two-minute extension on the affirmative vote of a majority of members present through a simple show of hands and explicitly prohibit the practice of automatic recorded votes on extension.
b. City Council reaffirm Section 27-103 in the Council Procedures that recorded votes for all other matters only be taken upon a request of member immediately before a vote is taken, ending the practice of automatic recorded votes on all motions.
That Chairs of Committee and Councillors addressing issues solely within their wards be permitted a two-minute extension without a recorded vote.