Item - 2015.PE8.7
Tracking Status
- City Council adopted this item on December 9, 2015 with amendments.
- This item was considered by Parks and Environment Committee on November 23, 2015 and was adopted with amendments. It will be considered by City Council on December 9, 2015.
PE8.7 - Options for Winter Public Access to Grenadier Pond
- Decision Type:
- ACTION
- Status:
- Amended
- Ward:
- 13 - Parkdale-High Park
City Council Decision
City Council on December 9 and 10, 2015, adopted the following:
1. City Council direct the General Manager, Parks, Forestry and Recreation to implement an Ice Monitoring Program that would provide testing of ice thickness and quality by an ice engineer and surveyor, within a designated area on Grenadier Pond, and necessary signage and a flagging system to inform the public of the risks associated with activities on frozen bodies of water, as outlined in "Option 2 - Ice Monitoring Program" in the report (November 3, 2015) from the General Manager, Parks, Forestry and Recreation and the General Manager, Toronto Water.
2. City Council direct the General Manager, Parks, Forestry and Recreation to include a new and enhanced funding request for $25,000 in the 2016 Recommended Operating Budget submission for Parks, Forestry and Recreation to fund the implementation of the Ice Monitoring Program with a goal of an additional $25,000 funding to be achieved in future years for a total of $50,000.
3. City Council direct that Confidential Attachment 1 to the report (October 30, 2015) from the City Solicitor remain confidential as it contains advice that is subject to solicitor-client privilege.
Confidential Attachment 1 to the report (October 30, 2015) from the City Solicitor remains confidential in its entirety in accordance with the provisions of the City of Toronto Act, 2006, as it contains advice that is subject to solicitor-client privilege.
Confidential Attachment - The receiving of advice that is subject to solicitor-client privilege
Background Information (Committee)
https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2015/pe/bgrd/backgroundfile-85531.pdf
Motions (City Council)
That City Council delete Parks and Environment Committee Recommendation 2
Recommendation to be deleted
2. City Council direct the General Manager, Parks, Forestry and Recreation to include a new and enhanced funding request for $50,000 in the 2016 Recommended Operating Budget submission for Parks, Forestry and Recreation to fund the implementation of the Ice Monitoring Program.
and adopt instead the following new Recommendation 2:
2. City Council direct the General Manager, Parks, Forestry and Recreation to fund options for winter public access to Grenadier Pond using existing resources within the Parks, Forestry and Recreation operating budget.
Vote (Amend Item) Dec-10-2015 7:37 PM
| Result: Lost | Majority Required - PE8.7 - Robinson - motion 1 |
|---|---|
| Total members that voted Yes: 17 | Members that voted Yes are Jon Burnside, John Campbell, Josh Colle, Gary Crawford, Vincent Crisanti, Glenn De Baeremaeker, Justin J. Di Ciano, Frank Di Giorgio, Mark Grimes, Stephen Holyday, Chin Lee, Mary-Margaret McMahon, Frances Nunziata (Chair), James Pasternak, Jaye Robinson, John Tory, Kristyn Wong-Tam |
| Total members that voted No: 20 | Members that voted No are Paul Ainslie, Christin Carmichael Greb, Shelley Carroll, Raymond Cho, Joe Cressy, Janet Davis, Sarah Doucette, Paula Fletcher, Mary Fragedakis, Jim Karygiannis, Norman Kelly, Mike Layton, Josh Matlow, Pam McConnell, Joe Mihevc, Denzil Minnan-Wong, Ron Moeser, Gord Perks, Anthony Perruzza, Michael Thompson |
| Total members that were Absent: 8 | Members that were absent are Maria Augimeri, Ana Bailão, Michelle Berardinetti, John Filion, Rob Ford, Giorgio Mammoliti, Cesar Palacio, David Shiner |
That City Council amend Parks and Environment Committee Recommendation 2 by replacing the figure "$50,000" with "$25,000" and by adding the words "with a goal of an additional $25,000 funding to be achieved in future years for a total of $50,000" so that the recommendation now reads as follows:
2. City Council direct the General Manager, Parks, Forestry and Recreation to include a new and enhanced funding request for $25,000 in the 2016 Recommended Operating Budget submission for Parks, Forestry and Recreation to fund the implementation of the Ice Monitoring Program with a goal of an additional $25,000 funding to be achieved in future years for a total of $50,000.
Vote (Amend Item) Dec-10-2015 7:38 PM
| Result: Carried | Majority Required - PE8.7 - Doucette - motion 2 |
|---|---|
| Total members that voted Yes: 23 | Members that voted Yes are Paul Ainslie, Christin Carmichael Greb, Josh Colle, Joe Cressy, Janet Davis, Glenn De Baeremaeker, Frank Di Giorgio, Sarah Doucette, Paula Fletcher, Mary Fragedakis, Mark Grimes, Jim Karygiannis, Norman Kelly, Mike Layton, Josh Matlow, Pam McConnell, Mary-Margaret McMahon, Joe Mihevc, Frances Nunziata (Chair), Gord Perks, Michael Thompson, John Tory, Kristyn Wong-Tam |
| Total members that voted No: 14 | Members that voted No are Jon Burnside, John Campbell, Shelley Carroll, Raymond Cho, Gary Crawford, Vincent Crisanti, Justin J. Di Ciano, Stephen Holyday, Chin Lee, Denzil Minnan-Wong, Ron Moeser, James Pasternak, Anthony Perruzza, Jaye Robinson |
| Total members that were Absent: 8 | Members that were absent are Maria Augimeri, Ana Bailão, Michelle Berardinetti, John Filion, Rob Ford, Giorgio Mammoliti, Cesar Palacio, David Shiner |
That City Council delete Parks and Environment Committee Recommendation 3:
Recommendation to be deleted
3. City Council waive its client privilege respecting the confidentiality of Confidential Attachment 1 of the report (October 30, 2015) from the City Solicitor (Item PE8.7a) and direct that Confidential Attachment 1 be made public immediately after City Council has made its decision on this item.
and replace it with the following new Recommendation 3:
3. City Council direct that the Confidential Attachment 1 to the report (October 30, 2015) from the City Solicitor remain confidential as it contains advice that is subject to solicitor-client privilege.
Vote (Amend Item) Dec-10-2015 7:39 PM
| Result: Carried | Majority Required - PE8.7 - Holyday - motion 3 |
|---|---|
| Total members that voted Yes: 28 | Members that voted Yes are Paul Ainslie, Jon Burnside, John Campbell, Christin Carmichael Greb, Shelley Carroll, Josh Colle, Gary Crawford, Vincent Crisanti, Glenn De Baeremaeker, Justin J. Di Ciano, Frank Di Giorgio, Paula Fletcher, Mary Fragedakis, Mark Grimes, Stephen Holyday, Jim Karygiannis, Norman Kelly, Josh Matlow, Pam McConnell, Mary-Margaret McMahon, Joe Mihevc, Denzil Minnan-Wong, Ron Moeser, Frances Nunziata (Chair), James Pasternak, Jaye Robinson, Michael Thompson, John Tory |
| Total members that voted No: 9 | Members that voted No are Raymond Cho, Joe Cressy, Janet Davis, Sarah Doucette, Mike Layton, Chin Lee, Gord Perks, Anthony Perruzza, Kristyn Wong-Tam |
| Total members that were Absent: 8 | Members that were absent are Maria Augimeri, Ana Bailão, Michelle Berardinetti, John Filion, Rob Ford, Giorgio Mammoliti, Cesar Palacio, David Shiner |
Vote (Adopt Item as Amended) Dec-10-2015 7:40 PM
| Result: Carried | Majority Required - PE8.7 - Adopt the item as amended |
|---|---|
| Total members that voted Yes: 28 | Members that voted Yes are Paul Ainslie, Jon Burnside, John Campbell, Christin Carmichael Greb, Josh Colle, Joe Cressy, Vincent Crisanti, Janet Davis, Glenn De Baeremaeker, Justin J. Di Ciano, Frank Di Giorgio, Sarah Doucette, Paula Fletcher, Mary Fragedakis, Mark Grimes, Jim Karygiannis, Norman Kelly, Mike Layton, Chin Lee, Josh Matlow, Pam McConnell, Mary-Margaret McMahon, Joe Mihevc, Frances Nunziata (Chair), Gord Perks, Michael Thompson, John Tory, Kristyn Wong-Tam |
| Total members that voted No: 9 | Members that voted No are Shelley Carroll, Raymond Cho, Gary Crawford, Stephen Holyday, Denzil Minnan-Wong, Ron Moeser, James Pasternak, Anthony Perruzza, Jaye Robinson |
| Total members that were Absent: 8 | Members that were absent are Maria Augimeri, Ana Bailão, Michelle Berardinetti, John Filion, Rob Ford, Giorgio Mammoliti, Cesar Palacio, David Shiner |
7a - Supplemental Report - Options for Winter Public Access to Grenadier Pond (Legal Risks)
Confidential Attachment - The receiving of advice that is subject to solicitor-client privilege
Background Information (Committee)
https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2015/pe/bgrd/backgroundfile-85474.pdf
Confidential Attachment 1 - Confidential Information on Options for Winter Public Access to Grenadier Pond (Legal Risks)
PE8.7 - Options for Winter Public Access to Grenadier Pond
- Decision Type:
- ACTION
- Status:
- Amended
- Ward:
- 13 - Parkdale-High Park
Confidential Attachment - The receiving of advice that is subject to solicitor-client privilege
Committee Recommendations
The Parks and Environment Committee recommends that:
1. City Council direct the General Manager, Parks, Forestry and Recreation to implement an Ice Monitoring Program that would provide testing of ice thickness and quality by an ice engineer and surveyor, within a designated area on Grenadier Pond, and necessary signage and a flagging system to inform the public of the risks associated with activities on frozen bodies of water, as outlined in "Option 2 - Ice Monitoring Program" in the report (November 3, 2015) from the General Manager, Parks, Forestry and Recreation and the General Manager, Toronto Water.
2. City Council direct the General Manager, Parks, Forestry and Recreation to include a new and enhanced funding request for $50,000 in the 2016 Recommended Operating Budget submission for Parks, Forestry and Recreation to fund the implementation of the Ice Monitoring Program.
3. City Council waive its client privilege respecting the confidentiality of Confidential Attachment 1 of the report (October 30, 2015) from the City Solicitor (Item PE8.7a) and direct that Confidential Attachment 1 be made public immediately after City Council has made its decision on this item.
Decision Advice and Other Information
The Parks and Environment Committee recessed its public session and met in closed session to consider confidential information on this item as it relates to the receiving of advice that is subject to solicitor-client privilege.
Origin
Summary
The Parks and Environment Committee, at its meeting on September 18, 2015, referred PE5.1 Skating on Grenadier Pond to the General Manager, Parks, Forestry and Recreation with the request to consult with the General Manager, Toronto Water and report to the Parks and Environment Committee meeting on a less expensive method of providing public access to the ice at Grenadier Pond which includes the following critical elements:
a. ensuring the ice is of a safe thickness and density;
b. creating new signage and flagging to communicate when the ice is safe for public use; and
c. designating an area for both use and entrance onto the ice which does not impact the environmentally sensitive areas of the pond,
so that the program can be implemented in time for the 2015/2016 winter season.
This report outlines two options which would allow the public to have access to Grenadier Pond for winter activities.
Background Information
https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2015/pe/bgrd/backgroundfile-85531.pdf
Speakers
Motions
11:23 a.m. - That the Parks and Environment Committee recess its public session to meet in closed session to consider this item as it relates to the receiving of advice that is subject to solicitor-client privilege.
That Recommendation 1 in the staff report be deleted and replaced with the following:
"1. City Council direct the General Manager, Parks, Forestry and Recreation to implement an Ice Monitoring Program that would provide testing of ice thickness and quality by an ice engineer and surveyor, within a designated area on Grenadier Pond, and necessary signage and a flagging system to inform the public of the risks associated with activities on frozen bodies of water, as outlined in "Option 2 - Ice Monitoring Program" in the report (November 3, 2015) from the General Manager, Parks, Forestry and Recreation and the General Manager, Toronto Water.
2. City Council direct the General Manager, Parks, Forestry and Recreation to include a new and enhanced funding request for $50,000 in the 2016 Recommended Operating Budget submission for Parks, Forestry and Recreation to fund the implementation of the Ice Monitoring Program."
That City Council waive its client privilege respecting the confidentiality of Confidential Attachment 1 of the report (October 30, 2015) from the City Solicitor (Item PE8.7a), and direct that Confidential Attachment 1 be made public immediately after City Council has made its decision on this item.
7a - Supplemental Report - Options for Winter Public Access to Grenadier Pond (Legal Risks)
Confidential Attachment - The receiving of advice that is subject to solicitor-client privilege
Origin
Summary
This report provides legal advice with respect to the legal risks of providing public access to the ice on Grenadier Pond. This report should be considered with the report from the General Manager of Parks, Forestry and Recreation and the General Manager of Toronto Water.
Background Information
https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2015/pe/bgrd/backgroundfile-85474.pdf
Confidential Attachment 1 - Confidential Information on Options for Winter Public Access to Grenadier Pond (Legal Risks)